The Endless Forest: Second Decade crowdsourcing campaign is live!

Michael Samyn's picture
We are live!



Please share the link as far and wide as you can: https://igg.me/at/theendlessforest
Feel free to use the image above, or make your own.

Do let us know any comments or suggestions! This campaign runs over 30 days, so there's plenty of time to tweak and add.

PS: we're still accepting video, audio & text (see previous post)

Update 1 (2 November)
Update 2 (15 November)
Update 3 (18 November): 3D prints!
Update 4 (21 November): new perks!
Update 5: Lina!
Update 6: Campaign extended to 27 December!
Update 7: tin deer WIP
Update 8 (14 December): statistics
Veranai's picture

What Hraeth said. I'm very

What Hraeth said. I'm very curious about the tin deer set. But we're at 49% as of writing this, and we've still got three days to go! We'll make it, maybe even a little past 50!
Kaoori's picture

I am full of stupid questions

I am full of stupid questions today |D

Can you not see yourself on the list of backers? Someone said they saw me and I can't find me for the life of myself.

Let's all keep in mind that

Let's all keep in mind that 40k is what they need for only a remake.

20k may come short of covering the sheer barebones of the new game.

So let's all give it the best we've got. To the last minute.
As Indiegogo is the major hub, things will get slow after that [and its perks] is gone.
Freyja's picture

Past the halfway mark

Past the halfway mark everybody!!! 51% !
Evern's picture

That's incredible but as Uit

That's incredible but as Uit says we still can't stop donating. Any money given now will just assure the future of TEF is even more sure.

Michael Samyn's picture

Thank you all for collecting

Thank you all for collecting half of the money needed for a remake. We are very inclined to take the risk and start the work in the hopes that the remainder will be collected while we are working. But we can only take a final decision after thorough consideration and some research.

The more we collect now, the more confident we will feel!
Tisority's picture

Michael, Have you guys

Michael,

Have you guys decided not to do the extension then? If that's the case then I completely respect your wishes, but I do think that even though we're past the halfway mark for donations, it would be a very big missed opportunity to not take advantage of the extension. If that's the case though, I just hope the enthusiasm for donating persists over the next six months!

If that's the case, could I suggest putting up a new blog - OR, editing this one actually - so that we can keep in touch with you and stay up to date on how the private paypal donations are going? It'd be really nice to be able to see the progress as it's being made (which is why Indiegogo was so nice for its visuals) and I personally think that having regular updates will help keep people motivated.
Keepiru's picture

I'm curious about the

I'm curious about the extension too. It's an opportunity to gain more but also it's not a so-good idea. Most of the TEF players have already sent their parts, we can bring home new and curious players of course but we're also entering the Christmas period =/ Honestly, I think we are not able to do the 40K within a new month. This will require more time, the next year.
Urschanabi's picture

..a good thing about the

..a good thing about the holidays period though is that you can ask Santa to make a contribution as a present for you Eye

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Keepiru, Like we'd lose

Keepiru,
Like we'd lose anything. Besides, this remake isn't for us TEF players but the internet in general. Give the internet a way to chip in. Keep spreading the word.

This campaign is one-in-a-lifetime opportunity, so I was unpleasantly surprised to see they would not extend it.
The sites like Indiegogo and Kickstarter are excellent hubs as
a]. you can redirect all your/player-driven advertising efforts there and
b]. people will entrust Indiegogo with their money rather than some niche deer roleplaying site,
c]. easy to give out and manage perks, attracting more practical-minded crowd,
d]. like on any market there'll be people on a shopping streak who may see it and throw spare money at it.

Shame all of the above ends in two days.
I'm certain the campaign had more unlocked potential yet.
Evern's picture

Same here. I still hope for

Same here. I still hope for an extension.

EyelessVoid's picture

Donated, wish I could give

Donated, wish I could give some more but it's not possible for now. The extension would be nice, as I think we could reach the goal given a bit more time. I know I'd chip in more, once I get my next paycheck, but if they decide not to extend it I understand. Reaching more than 50% is already an amazing achievement <3
Mjrn's picture

I'd honestly go for an

I'd honestly go for an extension. Even with 20K, with this occurring during the holiday season, the timing wasn't the greatest. An extension into next year would probably help a lot. I myself have wanted to donate, but with barebones checks, bills and the holidays all at once, I really can't do anything to help.
Account previously Mjrn, returned to Veedeer.
Keepiru's picture

Uitleger, by "not so-good" I

Uitleger, by "not so-good" I only mean the end of the year was not the best time for starting a crowdsourcing campaign. They can let it run another month of course. There is nothing wrong with that.

Alright, let's see if we can

Alright, let's see if we can push it to the 60% today. Or heck, 65%.
SoliloquyChryseis's picture

If I had the money I'd donate

If I had the money I'd donate more :x But I honestly think we need an extension. We got half so far, which to be quite frank, is a miracle considering the size of the game currently. I think giving it another month or two could potentially get you over 40K
Tisority's picture

^ What Soli said. But with

^ What Soli said. But with less than a day left on the campaign, if you guys are gonna extend it, we're running out of time.
Naremara's picture

Sent a 100 your way,

Sent a 100 your way, finally.
I wish I could give more.

It would be great if you extended the campaign to be honest, so many people are willing and really want to see a remake of the game!

ToT twitter wrote:This is the

ToT twitter wrote:
This is the last day of #TheEndlessForest on @IndieGogo. But we're looking into extending the campaign.


Haha, ambiguous.

Michaël Samyn,
Will you extend the ongoing indiegogo campaign or
we'll have to send our donations someplace else, sometime later?
Asking on the behalf of those who wanted to donate and get their perks but couldn't
due to the holiday season.
BloomingSkull's picture

Ah, I was about to back this

Ah, I was about to back this project, but for some reason it will only let me pay via paypal with credit card. I never had this problem before as it would always let be pick between credit card or debit.

Did you all have to pay via credit card?

If so, I am really sorry, because I sadly won't be able to back this project then.
Keepiru's picture

We've one Forest Patron,

We've one Forest Patron, congrats!
Verdalas's picture

Technically two. I've just

Technically two.

I've just made my last donation of €200. I'm so glad to see we've leapt over the 50% mark.
Michael Samyn's picture

Alright. Thank you all for

Alright. Thank you all for your support and contributions!

While I don't think we will be able to collect the full amount on IndieGogo, for the reasons mentioned by some of you above, I do think it would be worthwhile to extend the campaign (even though I must admit it causes a bit of stress here at home). BUT KEEP IT QUIET for now! We will extend the campaign later today but we also want to take advantage of people who feel a bit of last minute pressure to contribute.

Since I don't believe we can make the full amount, we will also continue to collect donations after the IndieGogo campaign. We will set up a special page for this that reflects the status of that effort. Frankly, I'm hoping that we collect more than the 40,000 in the end because I'd love to immediately include some expansions while we are rebuilding the game, or shortly after.

All this also means that we will take the risk and go ahead with remaking The Endless Forest in a new engine. This is a risk because without the full amount, we may not have enough time to work on it, or we may not be able to pay for expert consultants. But I have a feeling that this is what the community wants us to do.

I don't want to brag — but I

I don't want to brag —
but I knew you had that strategy in mind! Even though I didn't count on my hunch even myself.
Keepiru's picture

Oh good news then. Btw M&A,

Oh good news then.

Btw M&A, I was thinking about the Forest Patron perk and to be honest I'm disapointed by it.
Ok custom 3D print is really nice and I'd like one but €1000 EUR is not a little sum. It deserves more, like the right to put a part of yourself in the new game, to be able to personalize a part of the forest : a statue, a special tree, a patch of unique flowers... something like that would be really nice.
Iaurdagnire's picture

Giving the time of year, I'll

Giving the time of year, I'll be honest... I was doubting 50% would be reached, but as of now it's close to 60%! That's amazing!

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a kind of grant out there that would match a 50% community funding :') would solve the problem instantly.

Quote:
Since I don't believe we can make the full amount, we will also continue to collect donations after the IndieGogo campaign. We will set up a special page for this that reflects the status of that effort. Frankly, I'm hoping that we collect more than the 40,000 in the end because I'd love to immediately include some expansions while we are rebuilding the game, or shortly after.


Perhaps you should consider setting up a Patreon in a few months down the line when the project has started and is in full swing? And the reason I say a few months is because with patreon, the main lure for people to pay a monthly contribution/subscription is the incentive of getting behind-the-scenes access/things that aren't available publicly. Such as access to any concept art, screenshots etc. The key thing is exclusivity, so you could limit update activity here and those who want those updates and that access would have to donate for that privilege, and know that at the same time they are directly involved in sponsoring the game. You could keep it going for as long as the project is live, so in theory it could possibly top you up beyond the 40k mark depending on how well the extension goes.

Just a suggestion :B

Aivilo's picture

^Would totally support that

^Would totally support that
Qanat's picture

I hate to sound like a broken

I hate to sound like a broken record but the questions keep getting lost among everything else, it seems. ;; A lot of people are wondering about the tin set concepts that were supposed to be released this past week?
Know a few people hard pressed for money thought of tossing some at the campaign if they liked the tin set enough for some incentive.

Qanat, Starling asked that,

Qanat,
Starling asked that, they replied they're working on it.
Hraeth's picture

qanat's referring to

qanat's referring to this:

Quote:
The Tin Deer is a NEW set being designed as we speak especially for the tenth anniversary. We will post concept art next week.


and that was posted on the 18th, so it's been well over a week. which isn't to say the crowd waiting to see it doesn't understand they're busy people, we were just hoping to have gotten a glimpse by now and before this initial campaign is over since it was never assured the perks would still be available afterward.

Starling wondered the same

Starling wondered the same exact thing, tweeted them today and that was the answer. If M&A deemed it ready to be revealed, we'd all have seen it by now.
They confirmed on extending the campaign and with it, the perks. So see, no rush there.
Hraeth's picture

ah, i see. a lot of us don't

ah, i see. a lot of us don't use twitter, so that clears things up. thanks!
WayfarerHart's picture

They've been in London last

They've been in London last few days for a Cathedral in the Sky panel. That's probably the why there's not been anything yet.

parrotsnpineapple's picture

Quote:Oh good news then. Btw

Quote:
Oh good news then.

Btw M&A, I was thinking about the Forest Patron perk and to be honest I'm disapointed by it.
Ok custom 3D print is really nice and I'd like one but €1000 EUR is not a little sum. It deserves more, like the right to put a part of yourself in the new game, to be able to personalize a part of the forest : a statue, a special tree, a patch of unique flowers... something like that would be really nice.


What Keep said. I think this is definitely worth the 1k donation. Of course, there is no way I will be donating such a sum, but I think this would reflect the amount a lot better.

I also feel a similar way about the pelts; although amazing! I start to think 300+ euros is a huge amount of money to reach a single pelt with no extra set items. Of course, I also understand that its difficult to cater for higher tiers for the amount in question.

Perhaps it scales more like -
300 gets you all the limited edt. god pelts.
500 As is, although to be honest I think 500 should warrant an entire set. Of course, you guys have creative guidance and curation.
700 Should be added, or something between 500-1000. Maybe you get to have, as keep suggested a small personalisation of the forest. Could be from existing assets for ease's sake.
1000 - get to have chats with you to create a new biome in the forest. Maybe for excuses sake, this biome could be smaller patches than the previous ones to keep production costs down. And of course, this would be available in the new version.

I know making games and art is expensive, but Ive never made a game. So anyone please step up and tell me if this is a silly idea or disproportionate to 40k euros.....

Starling's picture

@parrotsnpineapple -

@parrotsnpineapple - Personally I think your perk-ideas work better. However, according to indiegogo's campaign rules it is too late to adjust any existing perks now. The only thing that can be done is add other, newer perks for different prices.

parrotsnpineapple, Here's

parrotsnpineapple,

Here's why there can be no change to the existing perks.

support.indiegogo.com wrote:
What You CANNOT Edit After Your Campaign Is Live



Your campaign's funding type -- Fixed or Flexible Funding

You campaign's Goal amount

Your campaign's currency

Any perks that have been claimed by a contributor.




As a backer, I would agree with you on getting more out of perks.
As smb who keeps thinking how to rake up more money for TEF, though, I see the nice curve behind perk design.
Example: you get the Forest Believer, the secret perk that comes with it is another 100eu, and with the next 100eu you get the Magician perk.
If you want to design the full set, you'd need 3 Magician perks.
That's fundraising at its finest.
Bc they're not doing perks to please us, they make them to get the game rolling, and expanded.
If you look at it this way, it's practical and will rake em more money in the long run. I'm all for it even though it sets my own pockets on fire.

As for the top tier, they mentioned it's costly to do because of modeling issues that'll come with it.
Basically, needs a lot of work to be put into it.
Maybe they made it expensive so they would not get sidetracked by all the requests, hehe.
parrotsnpineapple's picture

Uitleger: yeah fair enough.

Uitleger: yeah fair enough. Although id have to disagree on fundraising at its finest. I understand that it works out ecenomically, but in terms of people realistically paying that three times is very very unlikely. A large number of people that play this game fit a demographic of uni student/still in school/living at home and paying that sort of money for any perk is very difficult. More research into the community may have helped sculpt a better and more attractive incentives. People want instant gratification and I feel more bang for buck is a much better model. I know that the campaign perks are not made for the community but we take up a huge part of that funding.

Anyways my point is moot anyways. We cant change the perks, it is what it is. And yes, we shoukd be doing this for phillanthropic reasons. As people who have lived and breathed this game, domating for the sake of donating is easy. For the wider public, more enticement is necessary.
Michael Samyn's picture

The Tin Deer design suffered

The Tin Deer design suffered some delay indeed because of our obligation to speak at V&A in London. But we're back now.

The Forest Patron perk is so high because preparing a custom deer model for 3D printing is quite a bit of work onto itself. But we don't see the perks as products to buy in a shop. They are more symbols of gratitude.

Anyway, we're extending the campaign now. So that will give us an extra 30 days to come up with new ideas for perks etc. Thanks for all the suggestions!
Evern's picture

It's amazing to see all the

It's amazing to see all the extra time we have. I hope we and anyone else in the gaming community with money to spare makes the most of it. Thank you Micheal!

parrotsnpineapple's picture

Now would be a great time for

Now would be a great time for someone to take up the initiative to talk to youtube producers to promote the campaign. Is there a list of people that would do such a thing?
Evern's picture

There was a list earlier in

There was a list earlier in the comments! My fear is that if people from the community send out emails they'll be lost in the sea of emails youtubers get nowadays. I feel like if ToT contacted them the email/request would carry more gravity, then again I don't wanna pressure M&A into anything..

May I also suggest for those

May I also suggest for those that are frequenters to Twitch and possibly know streamers with wide audiences to possibly promote the game as well?

Youtube is fine and well of course, it's just Twitch is also a gamer community where there might be some interest garnered in such an interesting, unique, and niche game.
Tisority's picture

"We will also continue to

"We will also continue to collect donations after the IndieGogo campaign. We will set up a special page for this that reflects the status of that effort."

This is great news! Also, Dag's comment about setting up a Patreon after the campaign's over too would is a fantastic idea. Hope you guys had a good time in London, and looking forward to seeing the Tin concepts whenever they're ready! Thanks for all your hard work ♥
SoliloquyChryseis's picture

YES PATREON!

YES PATREON!

I'm on board with the Patreon

I'm on board with the Patreon idea. Plenty of people use it to get additional income, it'd be a great help to TEF I think.
Michael Samyn's picture

We have contacted one of the

We have contacted one of the YouTubers suggested. But most seem to cater to hardcore gamers mostly and I hesitate to expose our beautiful community to the gamergate mob.
Michael Samyn's picture

Patreon is a fine idea that

Patreon is a fine idea that we will consider.

But let's focus on IndieGogo first. If we reach our target, we won't need any other campaign!
(running such campaigns is quite stressful for us and consumes a lot of time that could otherwise be put into actual creation)
Tisority's picture

Sounds good, let's hope for

Sounds good, let's hope for the best for this next month of the campaign ;v;
gglidden's picture

Personally, now that the

Personally, now that the campaign extended to another month, I feel pretty confident that we can make the goal. C:
Ring The Bells That Still Can Ring.
Forget Your Perfect Offering.
There Is A Crack In Everything.
That's How The Light Gets In.

(A part of the lyrics of Leonard Cohen's Song "Anthem")

Thank you for extending the

Thank you for extending the funding campaign.