The purpose of this page is to give people the option to think about their pictograph as both an image on its own and as the sum of other images.
Unplugged shared brilliant knowledge that has been instrumental to La's glyph catalog. I highly recommend reading what Unplugged has to say because I use the system s/he explains to identify specific glyphs.
In no particular order, PLK217, Unplugged, Shaku, and Aivilo have all been instrumental in my compiling of images of glyphs. Many of the images they supplied are linked to in the comments of this page, and Aivilo's contributions came in the form of .psd files from here.
SORTING INFO
I begin this by assuming you understand how pictographs work. If not: each pictograph is four glyphs. Each pictograph has a code to it that is four numbers and letters long. More info here.
Each glyph is defined in this thread by its generation with roman numerals, by a number/letter, and by the placement of the number/letter in the sequence of four.
I have given arbitrary names to glyphs in order to sort them in a way that makes sense to me. Alternative name suggestions and categorizations are welcome. I'll add them to the description.
I use sub-categorizations of "greater", "lesser", and "intermediate" to divide groups of glyphs that are similar in all but size. Greater glyphs span across all of most of a pictograph while lesser glyphs do not.
GLYPHS (click to enlarge by generation)
Glyphs are sorted by generation and then alphabetically by the name I've given them, and then by their location in the sequence of the URL. Click the name of the generation to show the glyphs for it. The images are hidden by default to save you load time.
This Generation builds upon its predecessors while introducing many more curves and curls. It does not have any true polygons like the others in its family. Most impressively, many of its glyphs "line up" with other glyphs and allow them to appear merged. This was almost possible in past generations, but almost always obvious in Gen I and extremely rare in Gen II.
Angle, Acute, Greater: Compare and contrast with Generation II. 1E, 2T, 2Y, 2X
Angle, Acute, Lesser: 2Y
Arc, Greater: 2W, 3l
Arc, Lesser: 1I, 3p, 41
Circle, Lesser: Compare and contrast with Generation II. 4z, 40
Circle, Three-Quarter: 1F, 2U, 3i, 3j, 4x, 4y
Curl: 1G, 1J, 2V, 3k
Leaf, lesser: 1L, 2Z, 3m, 3n, 3o, 44, 45
Leaf, intermediate: 3m, 3n
Line, Greater: Compare and contrast with Generations I and II. 4u
Pick: Named for the tool it resembles. 1C, 1M, 2c, 3r
Raindrop, Greater: When the pointed side is down, they could be called icicles. 1H, 1K, 2d, 3s, 47
Raindrop, Lesser: 2R, 2a, 3g, 4w, 43
Semicircle: Distinguished from other arcs in that if you completed the circle it would fit in the pictograph. 1A, 2P, 3e, 4t
Sprout: 4v, 46
Thorn: 1B, 1N, 1O, 2Q, 3f
Turnaround: Compare and contrast with Generation I. 1D, 2S, 2b, 3h, 3q, 42.
This generation contains a mix of straight and curved lines and no true polygons except for some regular rectangles. This section is a work in progress.
Arc, Greater: Compare and contrast Generation I. 3i, 4t
Arc, Lesser: Compare and contrast Generations I and II. 1C, 3j, 4y, 40
Bow: As the weapon. 2c, 3q
Branch: Like the branch of a tree reaching skyward. 3f, 3n
Crook: Bears resemblance to a shepherd's crook. 2X, 3m, 44
Curve, Odd-Toed Ungulate: Named for its horseshoe resemblance. 1D
Curve, unnamed form 1: Not sure what to call this arrangement of the curve. 1F, 3g, 4u, 42
Curve, unnamed form 2: Not sure what to call this arrangement of the curve. 1I, 1O
Curve, unnamed form 3: Not sure what to call this arrangement of the curve. 1L, 2P, 2U, 3p
Fiddlehead, Greater, Angular: Compare and contrast with Generation I's fiddleheads. 1J, 4x
Fiddlehead, Lesser, Angular: Compare and contrast with Generation I's fiddleheads. 1B, 2Y
Fishhook: 4v, 4w
Line, Greater: Compare and Contrast with Generations I, II, and III. 1H, 1N, 3s
Line, Lesser: Compare and contrast with Generations I and II. 2Q, 41
Multiple Angles, Five: 1K, 2Z, 3o, 43
Quadrilateral, Equilateral: Compare and contrast with Generations I and II. 1G, 2V, 3k, 4z
Root: As a root under a plant. 2d, 47
Seed, Almond:: 2R, 2S, 3h, 3r, 46
Seed, Sunflower: 1E, 2T
Stone, Greater: 1A, 2a, 3e
Stone, Lesser: 2b
Wishbone: 1M, 2W, 3l, 45
AFTERWORD
Questions, comments, and suggestions for other names for symbols would be loved. Anything you have to say about pictographs either here or in the other thread where I talk about pictographs I would love to hear.
I love sorting and organizing things, and seeing all this art taken apart so I could sort it and appreciate the parts is almost a religious sort of experience/pleasure for me. It's what I imagine pigs feel like when they roll in mud.
It's amazing and inspiring to see how much work you put in researching about all these things.
I'd also be ready to help with cataloging the glyphs. Perhaps you also could link to examples of glyphs for visual reference.
Help would be much appreciated if you have the time. Eventually I do plan to gather pictures for reference. If someone wants to do that now, it would be very useful.
Meanwhile doing this, I looked in my old math books just for checking something about Unplugged's total count of the pictographs. As it is mentioned, there are four position in the pictograph code and each has set of fifteen glyphs. This setting should give 50 625 pictographs.
But what if the glyphs weren't fixed to their positions? Then there are overall sixty glyphs. So picking up four of them (each of them could be used only once) gives me the count of 11 703 240 pictographs per generation.
(enough for everyone living in my country to have an account)
Well, this math is also simple. -> V(4;60)=60!/(60-4)!=11 703 240
Which is only a difficult way of 60x59x58x57=11 703 240
(When they are teaching us this, let's use it then )
I haven't done these in a while, thanks for reminding me. The last math class I took was Calculus (which was fun) but there wasn't much in the way of factorials (which is, in many ways, a shame). I'm glad you thought of this, because I would not have.
Fffff, you really don't need to mention me up there XDD I just cut out one measly picto~ It was really no trouble~ *shoos my name off your lovely list*
So, let me see...mine/Amary's would be made up of...a sideways "fiddlehead" (greater), a small "turnaround", a line (but I think it's shorter than the ones shown), and one that looks like a smaller version of the "hook."
Paz: Sounds about right! All lone line segments are in the same family, regardless of length, and all 45 degree angles are hooks, though some appear to have different lengths of their line segments. The names, of course, are arbitrary.
Hey.
I don't know if you're still around, but in any case, I've collected all the glyphs that are still missing. Means the fourth slot of the Gen1s, and all Gen2s.
I also wonder whether AlisonRobin is still somewhere around.
But I have to thank you, Unplugged. I wanted to finish at least the 1st generation pictographs' glyphs but I must have stopped it for exactly what I warned her of started to happen to me myself.
It is something like this: "He, who counts the trees, does not see the forest."
I was cataloging the glyphs and saw the great amount of codes till I randomly displayed one pictograph I know quite good. That was the break point. I couldn't see the pictographs any more, they all were just pieces of glyphs making some picture. Just some roof, open box, turnaround and angle... I didn't want this to happen to me. I want to see pictographs, not codes, I want to see forest, not trees, I want to feel its magic, not to know its tricks.
Hey, can you open/work with Photoshop format pictures? I have all of the individual glyphs for the first and second gen pictos already separated out and I would be happy to share the files with you! I did it a while back when I was looking into how older versions of the TEF client converted 2nd gen pictos into false 1st gen pictos.
If you don't have a program which can handle Photoshop format, you can download GIMP or I can convert them to something else for you. Let me know!
Edit: didn't see Unplugged had offered a set already. Oh well, offer still stands if you want to see them all in one file I have them color coded according to position and whatnot and layered in two files, so you can make any picto from them and see where all the pieces are.
I see what you mean, PLK. I adore coding very much, and I love figuring out what is behind something, how it works, how it functions. There is a beauty in this, too, to see how the small things form something new, something bigger, something united. It is interesting to explore these things, take them apart and see their boundaries, and build something new out of them.
After I have finished with taking apart and posting the Glyphs I went into the forest to relax. I didn't think about what I had been doing a few minutes ago, I still saw Pictograms, not codes, and like you beautifully said, the forest, not the trees. It hasn't taken away the magic.
It's easy to get caught up in something, but to me, The Endless Forest and the programming of it are two seperate things. I can still play without the technical aspect. :)
I think it's like this with a lot of things. "To not see the wood for the trees" — I enjoy drawing, and it's the same when you draw: You can see a beautiful picture, and you can start taking it apart with your eyes and see how it has been made. And then you notice how much work has been put in this picture, and you look at it again, it seems even more beautiful.
Or with music. You can listen to a good song, but after you notice subtle moments in the sound, and after you find out the meaning put into it, or the story behind it it turns even more amazing...
I've now included Generation III Glyphs and the Definitions, Concepts, and Ideas to consider section.
As for the idea regarding seeing the forest and not the trees, I say why not see both? To me the beauty of art and of language is to see now only the entire structure as a whole but also the parts that go into it. We need not limit ourselves. I will give two examples as to why I feel this way.
The first is Georges Seurat. He was a French painter best known for this painting.. A lot of people don't know that if they look closely at it, it is made up of thousands upon thousands of tiny brush strokes and points. Up close, looking at a little piece of it, you might not be able to see everything but it remains beautiful nonetheless. Brush strokes in paintings, especially oil and tempera, really give you a chance to see the order of the building blocks of images.
My second example comes from language. I adore languages and linguistics. To me, they are like math, and math, art, and language are all mixed in my head. Many of our words are combinations of other words, obviously. Telephone for instance, is half tele (far) and half phone (sound). It just makes so much sense, and the fun that comes from saying the word is not diminished by understanding its components.
Also, bonus third point I just thought up while writing my other ones, lego bricks are awesome. Just one lego brick is great. You can look at it and immediately understand that it has peers that it can fit into and that it is a building block with unrivaled simplicity and design. And then there's stuff like this. That's not just awesome because it's a five foot tall Barad Dur. That's awesome because it's a five foot tall Barad Dur made out of lego bricks. When you tell someone about this thing, I guarantee that you'd specify that he made it with lego bricks.
I believe I posted about it before I had put the builders together officially, but you may find these useful, particularly where you're missing 3rd gen glyph images.
I do not, but they were extremely helpful in putting the new ones together. I would have used yours still but you had the first two generations without the third and I realized that they were hosted on a DeviantArt account and that they were probably killing you for space and generally being a pain to host there (I assume that site limits the amount of stuff you can store?).
Thanks again so much for keeping them up there for as long as you did. You have no idea how much I appreciate all the work you put into pulling them apart and making them.
No need to put yourself down just for being blonde. It's such an unfair stereotype against blondes and against females in general in STEM fields.
I wouldn't say that I work much with algebra here. The only variables are the glyphs--first position, second position, third position, and fourth position are the only variables I'd need. Not sure what letters I'd use to represent them but I'd come up with something.
I avoid any kind of advanced math on TEFc because people who don't use that stuff every day tend to lose it gradually with time, myself included.
Generation IV up and listed in its entirety. Next stage may be to add some Javascript to help hide and show by generation.
Need good forest or ungulate related names for some of the curved line forms still.
Please point out errors if you find them!
Ahhh, I totally have to track
-waits to see- o3o
Aw, thank you!
Could you use a little of my
Man, everything you do mixes
It's amazing and inspiring to
I'd also be ready to help with cataloging the glyphs. Perhaps you also could link to examples of glyphs for visual reference.
Help would be much
He he, that is exactly what I
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YOU ARE AWESOME
I shall continue stalking
I shall continue stalking your progress!
this is really neat
Hey, darlin~ Not sure if this
1E
(I've been calling it a platform or stage~)
Here is the set of Gen1
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Meanwhile doing this, I looked in my old math books just for checking something about Unplugged's total count of the pictographs. As it is mentioned, there are four position in the pictograph code and each has set of fifteen glyphs. This setting should give 50 625 pictographs.
But what if the glyphs weren't fixed to their positions? Then there are overall sixty glyphs. So picking up four of them (each of them could be used only once) gives me the count of
11 703 240 pictographs per generation.
(enough for everyone living in my country to have an account)
Whoa. I had done the simple
Thanks for contributing more pictures (You too, Shaku).
Well, this math is also
Which is only a difficult way of 60x59x58x57=11 703 240
(When they are teaching us this, let's use it then
And you're welcome!
I haven't done these in a
Someone is made of win!
Trackety track. :3
Thanks Gurglin. There are a
SOMEONE HERE IS A
AND IT'S NOT ME. -salutes and track-
Pretty sure a lot of people
oh stop it you are so modest
xD
Fffff, you really don't need
CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS
You have no say in the matter, it's far too late for that
muahaha
I've been a little busy
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TRACK. You guys are so
You guys are so awesome 8'D
So, let me see...mine/Amary's
PLK, please don't feel like
Paz: Sounds about right! All
Hey. I don't know if you're
I don't know if you're still around, but in any case, I've collected all the glyphs that are still missing. Means the fourth slot of the Gen1s, and all Gen2s.
I officially have no life.
Gen 1
FOURTH SLOT
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Gen 2
FIRST SLOT
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SECOND SLOT
+P++___+Q++___+R++___+S++___+T++
+U++___+V++___+W++___+X++___+Y++
+Z++___+a++___+b++___+c++___+d++
THIRD SLOT
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FOURTH SLOT
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+++y___+++z___+++0___+++1___+++2
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I would so love 1K!! Can i
I also wonder whether
But I have to thank you, Unplugged. I wanted to finish at least the 1st generation pictographs' glyphs but I must have stopped it for exactly what I warned her of started to happen to me myself.
It is something like this: "He, who counts the trees, does not see the forest."
I was cataloging the glyphs and saw the great amount of codes till I randomly displayed one pictograph I know quite good. That was the break point. I couldn't see the pictographs any more, they all were just pieces of glyphs making some picture. Just some roof, open box, turnaround and angle... I didn't want this to happen to me. I want to see pictographs, not codes, I want to see forest, not trees, I want to feel its magic, not to know its tricks.
Thank you for having no life.
Hey, can you open/work with
If you don't have a program which can handle Photoshop format, you can download GIMP or I can convert them to something else for you. Let me know!
Edit: didn't see Unplugged had offered a set already. Oh well, offer still stands if you want to see them all in one file
I see what you mean, PLK. I
After I have finished with taking apart and posting the Glyphs I went into the forest to relax. I didn't think about what I had been doing a few minutes ago, I still saw Pictograms, not codes, and like you beautifully said, the forest, not the trees. It hasn't taken away the magic.
It's easy to get caught up in something, but to me, The Endless Forest and the programming of it are two seperate things. I can still play without the technical aspect. :)
I think it's like this with a lot of things. "To not see the wood for the trees" — I enjoy drawing, and it's the same when you draw: You can see a beautiful picture, and you can start taking it apart with your eyes and see how it has been made. And then you notice how much work has been put in this picture, and you look at it again, it seems even more beautiful.
Or with music. You can listen to a good song, but after you notice subtle moments in the sound, and after you find out the meaning put into it, or the story behind it it turns even more amazing...
Thanks and track !
Avatar by Awentia, signature by Wildflowerdeer
I found all of mine for
Serpent 3k
Equilateral Rectangle/Square 2x
Open Box 1M
Greater Fiddlehead though oriented a different way.
Thanks for this, it's really interesting to see how the pictograms are put together.
This is really awesome!
The name of my main deer is bqj4.
The name of my side deer is kzq3.
Both of them are Gen. 2 pictos.
Very beautiful and I love
Bumping because of
I've now included Generation III Glyphs and the Definitions, Concepts, and Ideas to consider section.
As for the idea regarding seeing the forest and not the trees, I say why not see both? To me the beauty of art and of language is to see now only the entire structure as a whole but also the parts that go into it. We need not limit ourselves. I will give two examples as to why I feel this way.
The first is Georges Seurat. He was a French painter best known for this painting.. A lot of people don't know that if they look closely at it, it is made up of thousands upon thousands of tiny brush strokes and points. Up close, looking at a little piece of it, you might not be able to see everything but it remains beautiful nonetheless. Brush strokes in paintings, especially oil and tempera, really give you a chance to see the order of the building blocks of images.
My second example comes from language. I adore languages and linguistics. To me, they are like math, and math, art, and language are all mixed in my head. Many of our words are combinations of other words, obviously. Telephone for instance, is half tele (far) and half phone (sound). It just makes so much sense, and the fun that comes from saying the word is not diminished by understanding its components.
Also, bonus third point I just thought up while writing my other ones, lego bricks are awesome. Just one lego brick is great. You can look at it and immediately understand that it has peers that it can fit into and that it is a building block with unrivaled simplicity and design. And then there's stuff like this. That's not just awesome because it's a five foot tall Barad Dur. That's awesome because it's a five foot tall Barad Dur made out of lego bricks. When you tell someone about this thing, I guarantee that you'd specify that he made it with lego bricks.
I believe I posted about it
That's a lovely thread you
Do you mind terribly if I pull individual layers from the PSD to use as pictures here?
Not at all! I'd love to see
Bumping with the inclusion of
Bumping with the inclusion of
Always looking for input and suggestions.
Bumping with the inclusion of
Always looking for input.
Well, I have more of an
Since you have new pictures of the glyphs, do you still need the old ones I posted that long time ago?
I do not, but they were
Thanks again so much for keeping them up there for as long as you did. You have no idea how much I appreciate all the work you put into pulling them apart and making them.
I love how complex this is
Complex language. Yiisss…. due
Image © Alhnna
No need to put yourself down
I wouldn't say that I work much with algebra here. The only variables are the glyphs--first position, second position, third position, and fourth position are the only variables I'd need. Not sure what letters I'd use to represent them but I'd come up with something.
I avoid any kind of advanced math on TEFc because people who don't use that stuff every day tend to lose it gradually with time, myself included.
Bumping because new
I think the names you came up
Generation IV up and listed
Need good forest or ungulate related names for some of the curved line forms still.
Please point out errors if you find them!