aka "let's play Devil's Advocate".
-) New players don't understand what the emotes mean anyway. So if someone taunts them, they don't see it as anything bad. They see it as a normal interaction.
-) New players aren't well-versed in body-language. To understand it and get more experienced with it they should learn which action provokes which reaction.
-) "If they annoy me they should know it!" New players have to learn what is acceptable and what isn't.
-) It's all interpretation anyway so they shouldn't be offended in the first place. "If they interpret it negatively it's not my fault."
Food for thought.
Good points. I don't attack
Good points. I don't attack them myself but I do see it all the time. I think this should be bumped continuously until everyone sees it.
My vow to you all
Thank you.
I agree with Quad, good
Mick Kreiger
Sometimes I wonder if all the
You reap what you sew.
&yes
Agreed
I still wouldn't attack them though for the sake of good manners, plus it's pixels, it's not like it'll hurt them too much ;D
Sig by Baal.
i ignore them, log out, or
interesting viewpoint, still.
I seriously doubt most brand
I've seen a couple of cases
I think it best to treat them as non-players until learning otherwise, but even then I'd never attack a fawn or nameless - no exceptions. Harassment deer get ignord.
No good telling people who they are and what they should think.
Not replying directly to your post, just posting my views.
"No good telling people who
Yes to this. And if you try, you will spend your life frustrated and angry.
I am wary of all deer until I
It used to just be fawns and nameless for me. It all changed when I witnessed something.
My real life friend was trying TEF on her laptop, and I'd sent her my spelldata to use (this was pre-spelldata loading).
I won't name names, but she was attacked relentlessly for wearing the same set as this person (save for the antlers) to the point where she had to log out.
She went back to playing The Path, and I haven't seen her touch TEF since.
BUT YES. Moral. Maybe take into consideration that anyone you don't know could be a new player?
I'm all for staying IC, but let's not allow it to get that far?
Personally, I don't think
I guess when I put myself in the shoes of one who is being attacked, and I have hardly any knowledge of the game, I would be offended and saddened by an "attack". Even though I wouldn't know the emotes very well, I can certainly recognize aggression and taunting even in a game that has no chat features.
I am not sure if I am getting my point across very well, but I will say this: be mindful of others, even if your deer is IC. It is fine if you're IC, but the other player will have no idea of knowing that. They may even think that this is normal behavior in the game and may be further put-off by that. :|
"I won't name names, but she
That really saddens me that someone would be that possessive over a set. I love it when another deer looks like Quad (or has the real deer mask, beluga pelt, and a different set of antlers). It makes me glad that someone else actually likes the same look that I do.
I mean how many people do you know that wears the real deer mask and pelt with the doe antlers? I think everyone should be allowed to wear what they like regardless of "oh that's Quad's/Virgil's/Quamar's/ect set". I'm certainly not possessive of the look I've given Quad and encourage others to wear the beluga pelt with real deer mask as it is just a great set to me.
My vow to you all
^ That...is a horrible reason
When I started playing, I
Only after I came to the forums did I learn that anyone plays "aggressively" or that there is "fighting" in the forest.
It broke my heart a little, to be honest.
In the forest itself, there is no real violence. Only when people label it as violence does it become violence.
I don't strive to be the best, but instead I strive to do my best, and always give it my all every time.
-faunet
Eyestrain, I had similar
And the comments about folks getting upset because another deer is wearing “their” set greatly saddens me. I’m drawn to other deer wearing the monarch butterfly pelt as it’s my favorite. I always seek out other deer wearing it to dance with them.
I agree with you Unplugged
When you're brand new to the game, you don't instantly know what the actions communicate. You pick your favourites; I remember finding the lower-antlers a fun thing to do. The action itself isn't forceful, it's pretty lazy lowering of the head to be honest.
I remember that if I came across a deer who was boring and didn't want to play - mooed or taunted at me or something - I just went off to find someone else. It didn't hurt, there was no reason for it to. That's what all newplayers/fawns do; I've met countless fawns this week, and with the best will in the world I can't be a constant source of entertainment, and they all left when they pleased.
By the time you're an adult if you've been playing regularly for a month, you've picked up on basic forest communication. You've probably seen a "fight", or been on the end of an harasser yourself. You know what you like, and know what you find boring or don't like. It's that simple.
But when you come to the website, the barriers are broken and you discover there are attitudes you like and attitudes you don't like from players. It is text communication between people that gave birth to what should be construed as violence, rude or hurtful.
I have been attacked before,
Note; if your gonna do it IC, make sure the other player knows. ;(
when i first came into the
Click the pokemon : D
I will always think that the
I don't strive to be the best, but instead I strive to do my best, and always give it my all every time.
-faunet
I am new to the game, and I
Je suis un chrétien fier
Anima Wolf
Spirtus tempestatis
This is really a issue? My
My thoughts:
I'll play the game how I damn well please. If people want to complain let them waste their energy doing so. My deer will attack, provoke, and annoy as much as I want it to. Any naysayers can suck it.
No rules
No objectives
I'll do what I want.
^ Aren't you a nice, kind and
If you're going to have an attitude like that, you'll end up alone here.
Just sayin'
Someone pissed in Caturday's
Siggies by Saosin and Possessed. ♥
Five hour old
Winning.
*lmao*
I hardly care if I turn up
If you think you have the
Besides, Unplugged has stated some good strong points here, and I totally agree.
Pffff ! Only making an
You people are lol worthy.
I'm getting a great kick out
Siggies by Saosin and Possessed. ♥
Do you think you'll stay with
In either case, welcome to the forest.
I don't strive to be the best, but instead I strive to do my best, and always give it my all every time.
-faunet
Hehe. That's okay, you are
And you're an older member
Trollin' trollin' trollin'
Trollin' trollin' trollin'
RAWWHIDDEEEEEE.
Keep it up, you amuse us.
oh god, it came here too.
While this tangent is
If the fawn and nameless do not know what the action means, then how would they know that you want them to stop when you use it? One should either count on one or the other, you cannot count on both as default states.
Now, I personally also hold that forest violence is what you make of it and all that jazz... That said, I think that if one decides to talk right/wrong ... It is always wrong to harass others, even if they annoy you. My use of the word "harass," though, is important. I generally think that it's wrong to actively pick a fight with a new player, and it's wrong to keep going after they try and disengage. But a little innocent playfight, returning their gestures, is fun in my book.
...And I'd say for teaching, it's OK to fire off a negative when they do something annoying...And then disengage. Walk away. If they keep at it, repeat. I personally go no stronger or more ambigious than a head-shake for "no," since it's not very ambigious or very agressive. It's ok to express displeasure or a character's displeasure... But I think there's a degree of restraint needed in dealing with everyone, both new and old players, but especially players you know for sure probably do not know what's bugging you.
Just my two cents.
You may be playing ICly. You
But that dosen't change the fact that you're purposefully lowering your antlers at an ignorant nameless that dosen't know any better. I've had a friend that's tried out the forest only to be scared away by a deer that relentlessly attacked her. Yes, they can be irritating, but I've always tried to be polite to namelesses and fawns. If they annoy me, I walk away. There are better ways to tell someone that they annoy you. c:
But hey, that's just me.
Seed you bring very good
I guess the mindset of the first argument would be "they don't understand so I can do what I want. if I want to 'attack' them I can do that because it's nothing bad to them. They get to have their fun because they see I'm reacting, and I get to have my fun with the way I want to play the forest".
So person X with this argument would find it enjoyable to imitate aggressive behaviour just for the sake of it. Believing it won't hurt the other person they feel right in having their fun.
Just for clearing up, I also don't agree with going aggressively after clueless players.
And while we're at it, one of my favourite forest stories.
Haha, I loved reading that.
Thanks Unplugged.
I don't strive to be the best, but instead I strive to do my best, and always give it my all every time.
-faunet
Yes, the links are sadly
Funny you didn't know about that yet! I always assumed most were already aware of it and I just wanted to remind people of that blog post.
I've only been on the tale of
I don't strive to be the best, but instead I strive to do my best, and always give it my all every time.
-faunet
Personally, I have only seen
Je suis un chrétien fier
Anima Wolf
Spirtus tempestatis
Just.. stay away from the
But.. really? Who is this Caturday person? -.-'
In the begining I was nieve,
I was wrong to take out my frustrations on them.
I got torn in to but this community.
I felt Rejected
But i know i was wrong I should not have been so angery
I should have remembered ..
...... It's just a game.
By the way Please remeber M & A both have been known to play as namless fawns/adults from time to time.
Krystal posted a good
This is of course a point to consider.
Do new players prefer "aggressive" interaction over no interaction at all? Do they see interactions simply as "attention" or "no attention"?
But the nameless deer cannot know whether they are being ignored purposefully or not. Players may be approached by a nameless while they're afk or doing something else. The new player might not now that and feel ignored when this is not the case. There's no reason for the afk player to feel guilty though, or to be blamed because they were genuinely busy.
But what if it's a matter of laziness, or sociability? Is it ok to ignore namelesses with the disguise of being busy, even if it could be interpreted negatively? Is it better to give them a small acknowledgement than none at all?
Is it right to 'lie' about being afk? I guess it's a question of morals.
quoting myself...
I don't strive to be the best, but instead I strive to do my best, and always give it my all every time.
-faunet
Ah Unplugged, I'm glad you
I think for the most part, a nameless can figure things out based on intuition over time much more than most people give them credit for or assume, I'm using my own experience here as a base so obviously it can't be applicable overall. But when I was fresh to the game, when I saw a deer laying down and unresponsive to my actions, I rarely looked at it as blatantly ignoring me, regardless if they were actually in sleep mode or not... and I seem to notice nameless rarely have the patience to interact with a laying deer (for the most part).
What I was referring to in my original post, however, would require very little intuition on the part of a nameless or anyone to take notice (and so it made me wonder) when a deer is very actively greeting and playing with other deer, but treats the nameless as empty space, not responding to a bow or even simply giving a sniff. It's an extremely common occurrence, but since they're viewed as generic, it's justifiable. I'm not trying to come down upon it as though it were a crime since everyone's entitled to enjoy their deer as they see fit, but sometimes I don't think players realize how easily it expands from "just a nameless" to "just another insignificant deer on TEFc".
I think there's a difference
But I think deliberately going after someone to annoy/attack them - new player or not - and taunting, teasing, chasing them around the game, etc, is something that should be saved for players you have permission to do so with.
I myself am able to handle aggressive or annoying deer and can ignore them, but players who are new to the game might take it more personally or might not be able to handle it. I just remember being very confused about the game at first, and appreciated being left alone so I could explore and get the hang of things. Obviously it might be different for different people, but it's hard to tell, y'know?
Anyway, this is just my opinion.
Thanks for contributing rice!
I also actually appreciated not being approached because I was really unsure about interactions and didn't know what to do; I felt more comfortable playing passively and just taking it all in.
I agree with you. "Aggressive" playing and attacking are two different things. The former is a way of playing the game, in the end it's all in good fun. It's playing out a story - acting, if you will - together with someone. It's about the intentions behind it.
The problem is this. We don't know what the player behind the avatar is thinking.
We don't know how they interpret our actions. We don't know what they want or don't want to communicate. The Endless Forest is so vague that it's impossible to ever be sure, especially because new players need time to pick up on the best known interpretations of actions. We can try to put ourselves in their shoes and treat them like we want to be treated, but most likely they still think differently from you and me.
That's why I think being nice and open is the best option. It's just the safest way to go, and it shows that you value friendliness even when someone might not understand you.
I agree with you, Unplugged.
I can tell you that I would be greatly offended (and also scared) if someone did aggressive e-motes at me and chased. No, it wouldn't throw me out of the Forest, but... if it were repeated, it would.
Sure there are 'points' in the OP, but... those points are stupid. I read up there that M & A sometimes play as fawns and namelesses!
And even then, I see it no different to treat any deer differently just because they're a fawn or nameless. Here's my rule: If they're not an AI, respectfully bow! The point is, there are no AIs (except for some animals like the fish and some birds) so just be polite to everyone!
Now, I'm okay with play fighting, but I would ASK if I could play-fight with someone on TEFC first. If it's not arranged, they won't know it's just play!
I hope this helps.